I don't believe that there is a policy to stop people from reporting to the police. Both in 1991, 1997 and 2008 in the publications of Watchtower it states that if a serious crime is committed by a witness against another witness, that the victim is able to report to secular authorities and that it would not be a part of the prohibition of taking one's brother to court. Were there elders who committed Clergy Malpractice, by encouraging people not to go to the police? I do believe that occurred. But that does not mean that it was a policy. Nowhere in all the documents, that many people here reference as such damning documents from Service, does it ever say that one can or should be punished for going to the police or that one should be discouraged from going to the police if they feel that they have been a victim of this type of crime. If there is an instance, please present it to me, again not how you can spin it or interpret a statement, but it actually saying that they should prevent someone from going to the police. I have never seen anyone from preventing another person from getting professional help from a professional mental health professional. The statements that have been made is that you want to be careful in the actual person that you select, but it never discouraged anyone from speaking with a professional. This is an anecdotal experience, but I suffered from deep depression while I was a witness and was encouraged by every elder and a number of COs to go and speak with a psychiatrist. Has other people experienced different things? I am sure that they have. But that doesn't make it a policy.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Tell me one fact outlaw that I presented as fact that is wrong. Please tell me.
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Watchtower let off the hook by the UK charities commission
by jambon1 insay what they like, but it's a definite withdrawal of pressure.
the commission is slow, needlessly protracted and inconsiderate of the extent to which ongoing damage is being carried out.. scrap it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watch-tower-statement-on-administrative-court-proceedings.
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Vidiot:
You do know that someone tried to sue Watchtower and Don and Joel Adams under the civil RICO statute.
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Voting At Meetings
by Spoletta inwhy is it that the watchtower finances are cloaked in secrecy, yet when the congregation is ask to approve extra donations to the organization, the voting is in public, so everyone can see who is "loyal" to jehovah.. hmm... i think i just answered my question.
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Many of the bylaws of the corporations that congregations have requires that money spent over a certain amount has to be handled by a vote of it's members. Some of those bylaws require a secret ballot. In fact the current bylaws of the title holding congregation corporation, that is in line with the branches directions in the US is if someone objects to the manner of the vote, that the vote must be conducted by a paper ballot.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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yes outlaw, that is exactly how I feel, oh wait no it isn't if someone presents an actual fact to me, I will listen for as long as it takes for you to be done presenting it. but if you come at me with emotion and anecdotal experiences and your opinion I will stand up and fight for what the facts are saying.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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No, because no matter what I say and present actual facts it is dismissed because of your emotions. I never wanted to say that according to the DOJ only 12-24 percent of convicted abusers will re-offend, because it will get into emotions of everyone on here attacking me as being insensitive. Or the fact that the 1006 perpetrators were not only accused of sexual contact with a child but such things as inappropriate texting with a child or any number of things that could be construed as inappropriate activity with children, but of course I would be accused of trying to move the focus away from the abuse. No matter what facts I have said no one sees the facts only what you want to see of the suspected abuse.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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Darkspilver. I agree with you not all law firms or lawyers are made equal some are better than others. But the lawyers now have to live with the persuasive and mandatory precedents that lesser lawyer helped set as case law.
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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The arc has produced more documents that has not been seen before, doesn't mean the are relevant or admissible in a US Court. Even the files that zalkin wants from the US Branch, the appeals court ruled, Lopez has the right to them as a matter of law when it comes to discovery, but that doesn't mean they are admissible evidence. In fact just last week the judge in that case made a ruling on a protective order. I am still waiting for it to be published before I can read it. But my point is not everything the plaintiff wants admitted will be admitted. -
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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"
by breakfast of champions inmy wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.
pretty telling.. .
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I am presenting actual facts here. One person on another thread said that this would be like a painting by numbers, so easy and such a easy slam dunk. Like I have said, obviously these firms feel they can win some cases, but it is not going to be easy to win. There are two things they have to prove first that abuse did occur which is a matter of fact that the jury has to decide. But there is theatter of liability which a judge will have to determine, as a matter of law, if Watchtower, had a fiduciary responsibility, a duty to warn and a duty to protect. That is why watchtower wins a lot of cases at the summary judgment level because they can show the judge that they didn't have any of those duties. On a previous thread someone posted a link to a Boston college law journal article. There are certain parts of you take alone sound like it is really easy to win, but the argument was, that religions cannot be held responsible for the actions of their members when their members are not performing religious activities as part of the religions faith and belief system. The determination of the judge as to the matters of the law is what will be hard to get past.
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TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".
by Dunedain inok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.
if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.
however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.
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Giordano:
I don't know how much of your reference that you read, it is pretty long and very dense material but it is interesting to see how this commentator talks about religious lawsuits. Towards the end it speaks of fiduciary responsibility, as well as the liability of a religious organization when it comes to the actions of one of it's members.